Log from the Debian Installer team meeting of May 4th 2009, 20:00UTC
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People who speak below:

 bubulle   : Christian Perrier
 dannf     : Dann Frazier
 franklin  : Franklin Piat
 luk       : Luk Claes
 otavio    : Otavio Salvador
 waldi     : bastian Blank
 youpi     : Samuel Thibault
 zumbi     : Hector Oron


22:00 < bubulle> #startmeeting
22:00 < meetbot> Meeting started at 20:00 UTC. The chair is bubulle.
22:00 < meetbot> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
22:00 < bubulle> #topic going over Squeeze release goals
22:00 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: going over Squeeze release goals
22:01 < bubulle> OK, folks, the point is *quickly* going through all release goals to see what has been going on on them
22:01 < bubulle> I'll mention all of them with the person in charge, please give us some mention of how it is going on (or not)
22:01 < bubulle> Persistent device naming for disks: cjwatson 
22:01 < bubulle> not sure if Colin is around
22:02 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: persistent device naming for disks
22:02 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: persistent device naming for disks
22:02 < bubulle> well, we'll need to move to another one,then...:)
22:03 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Find replacement for the ISC DHCP client in d-i
22:03 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Find replacement for the ISC DHCP client in d-i
22:03 < bubulle> waldi: the SqueezeGoals page mentions "needs activating udhcpc in busybox"
22:03 < waldi> udhcpc seems to work fine. enabled in the next busybox upload. needs a script in netconf
22:03 < bubulle> planned when?
22:03 < bubulle> (the upload)
22:04 < waldi> when i get around it
22:04 < bubulle> anything we can do for it?
22:04 < waldi> not unti, fryday
22:04 < luk> s/netconf/netcfg/ ?
22:04 < waldi> yes
22:04 < bubulle> anyone volunterring for the changes in netcfg?
22:05 < luk> I can have a look
22:05 < bubulle> #url http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SqueezeGoals
22:05 < bubulle> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SqueezeGoals
22:05 < waldi> luk: the busyox source contains an example script
22:05 < bubulle> (that's for the meetbot report)
22:05 < luk> waldi: tnx
22:06 < otavio> :)
22:06 < bubulle> #agreed luk volunteers for netcfg changes for udhcpc and waldi plans upload for busybox with udhcpc activated
22:06 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals:Switch from console-data to console-setup
22:06 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals:Switch from console-data to console-setup
22:07 < bubulle> youpi: any move on that one?
22:07 < bubulle> well, he's not around apparently. We'll come back on this one if he pops up
22:08 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Add ext4 support
22:08 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Add ext4 support
22:08 < bubulle> would need input from cjwatson...
22:08 < otavio> We have few pending issues from Parted side
22:08 < bubulle> otavio: maybe you have a summary?
22:08 < otavio> The main blocker for it is at Parted side now
22:09 < bubulle> otavio: so who's is goind to look at this? You?
22:09 < otavio> I'm looking forward for our parted release in near future (I'm not talking with Parted RM hat on) 
22:09 < bubulle> who's also involved in parted?
22:09 < otavio> It should happen soon but we're still solving few remaining bugs.
22:09 < otavio> bubulle: At Debian?
22:10 < bubulle> yep
22:10 < bubulle> svenl, otavio, xoswald and waldi are listed as uploaders
22:10 < bubulle> last upload, hmmmm, dec 2008
22:11 < bubulle> #511224 seems to be the blocker, right?
22:11 < bubulle> needs someone to apply cjwatson patch and upload
22:12 < bubulle> #511207 is done
22:13 < bubulle> and #511121 (grub) also needs to be adressed
22:13 < bubulle> otavio: so we need to push parted maintainers to at least fix #511224. OK?
22:13 < otavio> bubulle: yes... 
22:14 < bubulle> will you?
22:14  * otavio at phone
22:14 < bubulle> ok, feel free to come back on it when ready
22:14 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Finish last bits of UdebSupport (udeb transition)
22:14 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Finish last bits of UdebSupport (udeb transition)
22:15 < bubulle> luk?
22:15 < luk> all udeb library dependencies seem to be taken care of
22:16 < luk> dependencies for postinsts will not be a problem
22:16 < bubulle> luk: is the wiki page up-to-date?
22:16 < bubulle> #link http://wiki.debian.org/UdebSupport
22:17 < luk> almost, I'll do a last change to update it
22:17 < bubulle> ok
22:17 < bubulle> anything else to add?
22:17 < bubulle> luk: ?
22:17 < luk> no, not atm
22:18 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Make d-i capable to cross compile armel|* firmware images
22:18 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Make d-i capable to cross compile armel|* firmware images
22:18 < bubulle> zumbi: around?
22:18 < bubulle> or tbm maybe?
22:19 < bubulle> none of them around (sigh)
22:19 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: General cleanup
22:19 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: General cleanup
22:19 < bubulle> luk: you made a few proposals...
22:20 < luk> well I wanted to see if we maybe could drop some of the code, so it did not need a cleanup at all :-)
22:20 < luk> it seems the m68k modules package is the only one atm
22:21 < luk> and sysconfig-writer could be renamed
22:21 < bubulle> at least that makes on
22:21 < bubulle> one
22:21 < bubulle> ok, that seems to be the only thing that happened for that goal, right?
22:22 < luk> sarge-support should maybe moved to history section in doc or something like that?
22:22 < luk> yes
22:22  * bubulle OK to move sarge-support, yes.
22:22 < bubulle> I don't remember the exact point of it, indeed. Don't we need an etch-support pkg or is this something that's now obsolete?
22:23 < bubulle> otavio: ack for moving sarge-support out of packages/?
22:23 < luk> we have etch-support, but sarge-support has more content, so might be interesting as an example
22:24 < luk> I would move it in installer/doc/devel/historic
22:25 < bubulle> #agreed Move sarge-support to another place
22:25 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Improve support for Intel-based Apple MacBook systems; current support is a bit of a kludge and needs restructuring
22:25 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Improve support for Intel-based Apple MacBook systems; current support is a bit of a kludge and needs restructuring
22:25 < bubulle> -->skipped as no cjwatson around
22:25 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Allow selecting disks with GRUB with multiple controllers
22:25 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Allow selecting disks with GRUB with multiple controllers
22:25 < bubulle> Ryan52: around?
22:26 < zumbi> hi
22:26 < bubulle> zumbi: ah....we'll come back on one of your "babies" soon..:-)
22:27 < bubulle> no Ryan52 around...
22:27 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Make d-i capable to cross compile armel|* firmware images
22:27 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Make d-i capable to cross compile armel|* firmware images
22:27 < bubulle> zumbi: that one
22:27 < bubulle> any progress on this? Something happened? Something has to happen?
22:28 < zumbi> hi
22:28 < zumbi> i tried, but i am on the phase of modifying get-source-debs or whatever is called, it is under util scripts
22:29 < zumbi> i need to hack it so it pulls right arch debs
22:29 < zumbi> i am not sure yet if d-i wants those packages to be installed, i guess no
22:30 < luk> what packages?
22:30 < zumbi> so, WIP, no hurry and no much time
22:30 < bubulle> zumbi: care to do some summary in the mailing list? All this is somthing I'm really ignorant about and I wouldn't want to summarize things the wrong way
22:30 < zumbi> sure
22:30 < bubulle> so, let's say WIP, then..-)
22:30 < zumbi> ok
22:31 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Try to get some issues in libparted fixed (otavio)
22:31 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Try to get some issues in libparted fixed (otavio)
22:31 < bubulle> still on phone? :-)
22:31 < bubulle> #406680, #328629, #377263
22:32 < luk> next please
22:32 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Add PlayStation 3 support 
22:32 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Add PlayStation 3 support 
22:33 < bubulle> wart, zumbi: ?
22:33 < bubulle> grmbl
22:33 < zumbi> hi
22:33 < zumbi> i did take a look to latest petitboot
22:34 < zumbi> i still have to send some comments to geoff- 
22:34 < zumbi> and packaging petitboot is something nasty
22:34 < zumbi> at least if we, in Debian, do not have uclibc, which we are currently working on it
22:35 < bubulle> ok, so in some way, this is WIP as well?
22:35 < zumbi> so probably this is going to take some time, and I need to agree some mid-hack with wart
22:35 < waldi> uclibc have license problems
22:35 < zumbi> bubulle: this is WIP but it is a long-term WIP
22:35 < zumbi> waldi: not anymore
22:36 < zumbi> waldi: we work with uclibc, busybox upstream, so that gets things easier
22:36 < zumbi> waldi: Gyrosgeier has more bits on uclibc
22:36 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: Extend accessibility support
22:36 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: Extend accessibility support
22:37 < bubulle> youpi: is apparently not around so let's skip
22:37 < bubulle> same for "Split the initrd into three"
22:37 < bubulle> #topic Suqeeze release goals: Don't forget reinstating translation for grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy and grub-installer/grub_not_mature_on_this_platform
22:37 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Suqeeze release goals: Don't forget reinstating translation for grub-installer/grub2_instead_of_grub_legacy and grub-installer/grub_not_mature_on_this_platform
22:37 < bubulle> that's for me but I need to prod grub2 maintainers about these templates still being useful or not
22:38 < bubulle> I propose not going any longer in the release goals list. Others are wishlist only
22:38 < luk> I removed one item about pxe file renaming in favour of franklin's solution
22:39 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals
22:39 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals
22:39 < zumbi> bubulle: you can drop the choosing bootloader, that can come again when we gain mtd support
22:39 < bubulle> zumbi: hmmm, choosing bootlader has already been dropped after last meeting..:)
22:39 < zumbi> i also did some reading on ipv6, which i better write a summary to ML
22:40 < bubulle> Yoe: ^^^
22:40 < bubulle> zumbi: OK, I'll add a mention that you did some research on this, in the RG list, then
22:41 < bubulle> I think we're over release goals.
22:41 < bubulle> Let's see next topics:
22:41 < bubulle> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Meetings
22:41 < bubulle> #topic d-i.debian.org
22:41 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: d-i.debian.org
22:41 < bubulle> luk: what's the current status?
22:42 < luk> it currently has http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/build-logs.html
22:42 < luk> and the dailies from about half of the arches
22:42 < luk> it's still waiting for you to move l10n-sync :-)
22:43 < luk> and to get content on some home page
22:43 < luk> and maybe some other content that could be moved/added?
22:43 < bubulle> luk: maybe link the build logs from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller?
22:44 < bubulle> move l10n-sync, yes I know.
22:44  * bubulle needs time for this..:)
22:45 < bubulle> luk: are there other arches for which the dailies could go to d-i.d.o?
22:46 < bubulle> I see that armel and i386 are done under joeyh's account and sparc under stappers'
22:46 < luk> all of them could go there, just needs some coordination with the people doing the dailies
22:46 < otavio> heck! was a client on phone :(
22:46 < otavio> sorry
22:46 < bubulle> otavio: you'll have to go through the backlog..:-)
22:47 < luk> bubulle: also ia64 done by dannf and s390 currently not done?
22:47 < bubulle> dannf: ia64 dailies are done under your account. Maybe coordinate with luk to move them under the d-i.d.o umbrella?
22:48 < waldi> the machine who did the s390 images is broken, i trashed the raid
22:48 < bubulle> any planned revival from the deads?
22:48 < otavio> about the sarge-support I'm ok about moving but but not for installer/doc or it will be add in tarball 
22:48 < dannf> luk, bubulle: ok - just me know what i need to change
22:49 < waldi> only revival from the dasds
22:50  * youpi back
22:50 < bubulle> luk: anything more you see about d-i.d.o?
22:50 < bubulle> youpi: ah, we'll quickly come back on your release goals, then
22:50 < luk> no, the rest is in a latter point
22:50 < otavio> luk: btw, thanks by mocing d-i.d.o ahead!
22:50 < luk> np
22:50 < bubulle> #topic Squeeze release goals: improving accessibility
22:50 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Squeeze release goals: improving accessibility
22:50 < bubulle> youpi: ^^
22:51 < youpi> well, actually there's not much news :)
22:51 < youpi> I've been busy with other stuff
22:51 < otavio> youpi: what is your plan about it? When you plan to have focus on it again?
22:51 < youpi> well, not right now as our lab has burnt so we have other priorities
22:51  * otavio is in a bit of hurry today... sorry
22:51 < youpi> but a few weeks after that, yes
22:52 < otavio> youpi: burnt?
22:52 < youpi> yes, like on fire
22:52 < youpi> :/
22:52 < bubulle> ok, np...the point is mostly keeping topics alive...:)
22:52 < bubulle> ouch
22:52 < otavio> youpi: oh my
22:52 < otavio> youpi: everyone is fine?
22:52 < youpi> yes, it was at 3 am
22:52 < youpi> no PhD was still there at the time
22:52 < otavio> youpi: oh :(
22:53 < bubulle> youpi: I'd guess nothing else to add about Console-setup switch?
22:53 < youpi> no more news indeed
22:53 < otavio> youpi: quite sad news. Yep, we come back to it when you're more free 
22:53 < bubulle> #topic cleaning out DebianInstaller/Today
22:53 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: cleaning out DebianInstaller/Today
22:54 < otavio> Folks ... It is quite bad but I need to leave 
22:54 < bubulle> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today
22:54 < luk> cu otavio
22:54 < bubulle> As of now we only have one topic "active" in "Today", a very old one.
22:54 < bubulle> "Installer doesn’t start on mips and mipsel (445507) – there is a workaround in place for this issue though"
22:55 < bubulle> but I'm not sure if many people are following this..:-(
22:55 < bubulle> we currently don't have "bad" reports as far as I'm able to see
22:56 < zumbi> p2-mate: ^^^
22:57 < bubulle> Well apparently nothing mor eto add
22:57 < bubulle> luk: I think we went through "how to do dailies centralised"?
22:58 < luk> I think it would be best to make the dailies autobuilt via the normal way
22:58 < bubulle> #topic centralize dailies
22:58 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: centralize dailies
22:58 < luk> aka having a real package that gets binNMUed every day if it has not been changed and uploaded otherwise
22:59 < luk> this would make sure it gets built centrally
22:59 < luk> it would not harm the buildd by running in parallel
22:59 < bubulle> and thus buyilt on autobuilders?
22:59 < luk> it would solve the issue of outdated build environments
22:59 < luk> or at least get it to the same level as the buildds
23:00 < luk> yes
23:00 < bubulle> again, that needs someone to jump on it and do this. That can't always be luk..:-)
23:00 < luk> it would probably need some coordination with ftp-master to get the result go to d-i.debian.org
23:01 < waldi> err, you want automatic binnmus in the main archive?
23:01 < luk> ah another archive would also be an option
23:02 < luk> or at least another suite
23:02 < luk> I plan to work on that during DebCamp and would welcome anyone who wants to help
23:02 < bubulle> unless we have a real volunteer, I see this as a nice dream only, though..:)
23:03 < bubulle> I think we're about to be ready to conclude this meeting
23:03 < waldi> make it cross-buildable, then it is easy
23:04 < bubulle> #topic Various items
23:04 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Various items
23:04 < bubulle> just one mention:
23:04 < bubulle> I was pointed to the lack of answer to http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2009/04/msg00649.html
23:05 < bubulle> apparently, it would be nice if someone could complete the (small) answer made to Rogerio Brito
23:06 < bubulle> after all, he's proposing to keep miboot alive and it would be a shame if this good will is lost
23:06 < bubulle> #topic Planning next meeting
23:06 -!- meetbot changed the topic of #debian-boot to: Planning next meeting
23:07 < bubulle> Next meeting will be May 11th, 20:00 UTC, unless there are strong objections to this
23:07 < bubulle> I propose we focus it on an early preparation of an alpha release
23:08 < bubulle> luk, otavio: ^^^^ (I know otavio is away)
23:08 < zumbi> do we have a timeline somewhere?
23:09 < bubulle> zumbi: for the release?
23:09 < luk> no, not yet
23:09 < franklin> I drafted that page once: http://wiki.debian.org/Schedule (but it may go away too )
23:10 < zumbi> bubulle: yes
23:10 < bubulle> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/ReleaseProcess
23:10 < bubulle> this is not a timeline but it gives an idea of what's involved in a release
23:11 < bubulle> anyway, see you on May 11th!
23:11 < bubulle> #endmeeting
23:11 < meetbot> Meeting finished at 21:11.
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